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Posted: March.22.2003 at 12:05 | IP Logged Quote gorgori

First of all I 'd like to thanks to GOD for his blessing.As all of you know God has his own plan and time for every thing,And this is the time to communicate through the internet. Iapperciate those who start and dedicated them self for this purpose.God bless all of you. I just have one question Is anyone heard about the meeting at the st.Gebriel church next weekend? do you know the speaker of the meeting? some of them are known " Tehadeso " members. I really don't understand where we are going.or what we are doing May be I'm wrong but I'm ready to learn from you

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Gorgori, 

 let me tell you one thing.  The grass always look greener on the other side. Some people instead of changing their heart they want to change their appearance like Tehadeso members only to be considered very religious and civilized.  However, as a member of Tewahedo religion we have to peacefully accept God-ordained diversity within basic unity.  "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.  Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.  There is one body and one Spirit- just as you were called to one hope when you were called. eph 4:2-6  "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters Rom 14:1  "Let us therfore make every effort to do what leads to peace and mutual edification. Rom 14:19   Accept others in the spirit of unity even while you strongly disagree with them on disputable matters.  The primary goal is to glorify the Lord.  So my friend if you are ready to learn anything seek peace and pursue it.

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Posted: March.23.2003 at 09:47 | IP Logged Quote selam

 Can you all explain to me what those people are. i heard they want to modernize the church or something like that. and if they are tehadeso then why is the orthodox inviting them? anyway may God bless our church and give us unity.

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Posted: March.24.2003 at 12:17 | IP Logged Quote kidan

 

It is apparent that through out the history of the Christian church there has been a straggle between the church and the devel.The church has been all ways a winner and will be until the second coming of Christ. What we saw now in our church is not different than what our fathers endurs.Ther is no need to change what we learned from our lord Jesus Christ or from his deciples.what we really need to change is our self and our distorted mind to embrace  god. The movement of Tehadso is not some thing new. In fact it is the another arm of the protestant movement which is working to convert the Tewahido followers under ground.Any body can follow what ever religion he or she wants but the true church is only one which is orthodox tewahido founded on the cross by our lord Jesus Christ. I suggest to every one to read these two books which were written by the late arch bishop aba Gorgorios.1) the history of the Ethiopian orthodox church and 2) Christianity in the stage of the world. Both books are in Amharic. These books show you what the church through out its history has endures from deceptive techers.

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Posted: March.25.2003 at 16:41 | IP Logged Quote EWNET

Who are we to say who is tehadeso or who is 'real orthodox' in this confused world?. I think that there is no clear distinction now days. I think that it is not fair to judge believers by thier apprearance, they way they talk...etc. One thing that i have noticed in our churches now days is that people who call 'Eyesus Kirstos' a lot are dubbed as 'pentes' and people who say 'emebetachin, kidusan...' are thought to be 'real orthodox'. That is going to be really bad in the future because people will be afraid to call our Lord's name thinking that they will be called 'pentes'. Is that what we want our childern to learn from us? So we should be really careful before calling our brothers and sisters names that they probably don't deserve, and leave the judgment up to God.



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Posted: March.26.2003 at 00:59 | IP Logged Quote kidan

 

Ewnet,

I totally agree that no one has a right to question other people personal choice of religion or thinking. But as Christians we have obligation to show which one is right or wrong to others. The lord says that he who helps another person to turn from wrong path to the right direction will be forgiven from all his sins. I am merely trying to point that the Tehadiso movement is an activity pointed at Tewahido believers to convert them in to a form of protestant sect. When I say orthodox tewahido is the true Christianity I am not degrading others. As a Christian I believe one fact, which is Jesus, established only one church. If some one wants to know which one is the right one the answer is in the bible. Lets put aside emotions and with open mind search the truth. The true church is not limited by  borders, skin color, language, class and so forth. The true church is not the one its teaching changes time to time. The true church is the one which preserves the lords teaching in its originality.

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Posted: March.26.2003 at 23:45 | IP Logged Quote Mare-Yesake

Thehadso is a name given by some Ethiopian Orthodox church believer to those whom they beleieve try to Divert the faith and the "SERATE" of the church>

 

   



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Posted: March.28.2003 at 20:01 | IP Logged Quote KinfeMichael

 Brothers and sisters, I just wanted to say that it's very very very sad that the Gubae that's being taking place in St. Gebriel church is labeled as a tehadeso gubae. I know both about the gubae and the Memihirans who pariticipate in the gubae. Members of M.K. and the likes of them will be held accountable for this terrible rumor.  I would love to say more about the gubae and the wonderful memihirans that lead the cermon at St. Michael church, but seeing is believing, so please GO AND SEE!!! and you will have a clear idea of what those memihiran are about. Especially for those of you who live in the Washington DC area, this is a wonderful opportunity to hear from our beloved Memihiran who have been accused and labeled as Tehadeso.

Egziabher Tewahidon Yitebik amen!

 

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Posted: March.28.2003 at 23:07 | IP Logged Quote kidan

  We need to be careful not to label peoples with names which they don’t deserve. While we must be awake and protect our religion. Also we should not have to be over zealous and scare peoples who make  honest mistakes. It pleases God if we save one soul from extinction rather than driving out peoples whom we think as sinners from the church. Fellows lets learn the bible and stand on  a firm ground. This way we can save our selves and others from the treat of the devel.While it is very true our Tewahido church is under assault from different corners. We have to be careful not to alienate many of our brothers and sisters. Lets focus on educating those who are on the wrong path. We need to be devoted to bring back Gods children to his side.

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Posted: March.31.2003 at 19:01 | IP Logged Quote Tesfaye Fikru

Tenna Yistilign Wogenoche:

It is beyond belief that we, the little childern of the church, are labeling our fathers who lead the gubae at St. Gebriel this past weekend. I know almost all of them and some of them for many years. Glory be to God, one of the memhirs is really the reason why I am still in the Church. Now, I can defend my faith and beyond because I was able to sit during his sermon and was able to listen to his teachings through audio tapes. The focus here should not the memhirs, but us, the little ones,  who rise to question the fathers. Who are we? ...........  If needed, it is the duty of the Holy Synod through its body, yelikawnt gubae, to identify hearesy in the techings of any preacher. If because of the condition of the EOTC now, some may not want to look toward the Synod for resolution. If that is the case, I am sure we all have fathers in our respective churches from whom we can get guidance as to how to view the teachers who gathered at St. Gabriel. You will be surprised to find that they are close to your Abas than you actually think.  

Those of you that have made name-calling you business, please do you EOTC a favor. Learn the history of the church and the history of the Orthodox church and undestand the current events in that perspective. Although Kidan used it to make his point, the late Archbishop Aba Gorgorios' books are helpful in that regard.

Kidan: I had to single you out because The History of the Ethiopian Church by Archbishop Aba Gorgorios' articulates what is considered unclean food in the EOTC teaching. One of the teachers considered "Tehadeso" at St. Gabriel this weekend speaks on the subject often. He quotes form that book, from Kibre Negest and above all from the Holy Bible. Many who share your view lable this teacher "Tehadeso" because of that. If that is considered "yetehadeso," we not only are calling the late Aba Gorgorios "Tehadeso", but many of our forefathers who defended their faith against the Catholics after Giragn. If I miss the point here because I didn't understand what "Tehadeso" means, someone please explain.   

Let us not be too quick to judge others as we will be judged upon by those who may ot beworthy enough to judge us as well.

Until next time ............... 



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Posted: April.01.2003 at 00:51 | IP Logged Quote kidan

Besme Abe we Weld we Menfeskidus ahadu Amlak amen

 

 First of all I thank our lord who makes this discussion possible. Dear brothers and sisters, I am very happy to see so many of you are partsipating in this discussions .I personally learned a lot from all of you. I would like to make my points clear again about orthodox vs. thehadiso. I strongly believe that Thehadiso is not a new organized religion. It is merely a name given by its members to them selves to cover their true mission. Those of you who are thinking that there is no covert mission by this group either you do not have the facts or coned by these smooth talkers. When I say thehadiso is a cover name. I have a first hand evidence of their activity .I know two guys belong to this group who were trying to spread their teaching underground. First I didn't know about tehadiso until once I accidentally discovered about it. I was in a private discussion with these two guys in one ocasion. Since I know these guys in Orthodox Church I didn’t have any doubt about their tewaido belief. Either they under estimated my knowledge of the bible or they are over confident with their knowledge they made comments, which are wrong from tewahido's doctrine point of view. I heard them saying many unwise things, which reveled to me their sinister motives about our church. Since that day I become aware of this movement and to my surprise found out it is widely spread.

As I mentioned many times before any body has a right to believe what ever he wants. But my problem with this group is if they are not ashamed of what they believe why they are working under ground. The bible tells us he who comes in the night covered with darkness is a thief. . The two guys later on left the Orthodox Church when they no longer work under ground. Now they openly organize there own group. I mention this story just to show you. My position on the issue is not based on my imagination nor I enjoy a witch-hunt.  I fervently oppose labeling peoples with out clear evidence. Even if some one is a "menafek", the church or fathers(kahinat) have a sole right to judge him. We as church members should only be focusing to help clear whatever question or hesitation some one may have about our orthodox tewahido church. If we see some one going to be "Menafek", rather than publicly humiliating we should try to help him understand or let him get in touch with some one who can help him. There are no questions that our church can't answer. Our tewahido church is rich with answers and teachers who are guided by the holy sprit. In order to save a lost soul first we have to learn and equip our selves with the word of God.

I strongly object any individual or group labeling peoples with names. This kind of action is not religious. Our church has a tradition that is if some one becomes menafike the church invites him for open discussion and help him to understand whatever problem he has. After that the church gives him ample time to repent before excluding him from the church. Unfortunatly these days some church members individually accuse peoples and label them with names. Those individuals or groups need to refrain from this kind of actions, which puts them in contrary to the word of God. Some tewahido children's are accused wrongly and sadly driven out of church by these zealots. Those who are engaged in this kind of distractive actions should repent their sins and work hard to bring back this people to the church's fold. It is very important to know that God is happy when a sinner comes back to him than the loss of a sinner. People who think you are pleasing God by driving his children's out of the church need to stop and think what you are doing.

Lets all pray for the lost souls. Let's work hard to bring back our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters who left orthodox tewahido church with out knowing that it is the true church Jesus established. Please open your eyes learn the true word of God that is in our church. I may sound arrogant to some of you but I whole hardly believe the true word of God is found in tewahido church.

 

Dear lord please bring all of your children under the true church you founded with your boold. The world is full of deceptive keep us from the devil who is lurking around us.
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Posted: April.01.2003 at 15:32 | IP Logged Quote Tesfaye Fikru

Tenna Yistilign Wegenoche:

The equivalent word for "tehadeso" in English sounds like reformation. That could be in many aspects like in adminstration of the church or in the commonly used practice in the church. Could it aslo mean a reform on the Dogma of the church? Is that how we have been using the term "Tehadeso" so far in out discussion? 

How can one identify a "tehadeso" person? What is the core of the teaching the "movement" promotes? Can anyone provide an example out of a sermon given by a "tehadeso" teacher that is considered not consistent with the dogma of the EOTC?

It will be helpful for many of us to know.

 

Until next time ................... 

 

 

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Glory be to the Lord Jesus Christ! Who died upon the cross in our place for our faults. 

 You can Identify a "tehadso" person when they break the serat.  You can hear him or her say The old Testement is replaced  by the New one we do not need "Mekedes"  It is ok to have your shoes on, or if you are  on your ..... (females)to go inside the church for worship, You don't need Angels or etc to help you come before God when you pray. and so on and on.  They are the flip side of Menafikan.  you get my drift? 



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Posted: April.03.2003 at 18:24 | IP Logged Quote Emenet

Selam Lenante yehune,

I was just reading about what everyone said in this forum regarding of Tehadiso. I would like to share an incidence that happened here in my state not along ago. We had a conflict because of a preacher from ATL that was accused to be Tehadiso and he was invited I guess mistakenly to an orthodox church. So my question is this, if our fathers are letting this happen and never said anything about this incidence what can we do as a young ethiopian orthodox believer? the other question is, why is it  our generation had to face with this issue if this was created a long time ago?



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 This response is to the person who call himself/herself 'tamalidalech'. First of all, this is an Orthodox site. You don't have to try to tell us or prove to us 'tamalidalech'. We all know that Emebetachin tamalidalech.

 And second, if who you consider to be tehadiso is someone who goes in the church with shoes on, who says it is OK for a female to go inside a church when on '      ', breakin some rules...etc. you are wrong. Are we going to call 75% of mimen in America tehadiso's - because you know they break the 'sirat' too. Many people, especially here in america, who didn't go to 'kes timhertbet', never attended a menfesawi college, never attended senbet temihert, never went to gedamat and adbarat.....like me and you, usually (unknowingly,) go in the church with shoes on, are late for kidase, go in while they are on their '       '......... and God doesn't send a lightning to kill them because he is not judgmental like you and me. So please let us not call people names before we know the facts. Remember, we will be judged later just as we judge people now.

 



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IN THE  NAME OF GOD AMEN.

 

Tehadso  VS Reformation ?

 

When I start  to write about  the “reformation “ movement in the EOTC,  I could presume how difficult it could be since the story involves people whom we know, admire, are relatives  to us and sometimes related in many ways than who are <accusing> them of heresy. Whatever the case may be, I don’t refrain from sharing you the experiences I have regarding the movement, and I beg your objectivity in dealing with the facts I try to shade light up on.

 

It was in the beginning of the 80s (all calendars are in Ethiopian), that for the first time I came across a kind of  non-orthodox attitudes entertained in the orthodox church . I did not know whether it was an organized and long lasting work or a sporadic,  personal and individualised trial by some personalities. The major reason which uncovered it was <mezmur and yemezmur mesariyawoch>, which later pointed to the deepest conspiracy they plotted against the church. I hope my readers may remember the then Trinity Cathedral < Sunday School >, and its protestant congregation. Many people were against that gubae only for the fact that the music was <protestant  proper>. Please read on !!

 

After the change of government, and arguably after the proclamation of freedom of belief,

People start to uncover their masks and come to the front with what ever they think is good for the church. The situation in the church has contributed a lot for their confidence in a way that the church looks with out a leader.  In 1984 E.C  a group long closed for its heretic deeds start to regroup itself and manipulated the chaos in BETEKIHINET to start its previous activity openly and with out any shame in the arena of the EOTC head office.  Protestant preachers were invited to give sermons, their singers were free to use the stage,  because according to the rule of this group /called <Haimanote Abew> / rule, any body under any Christian denomination, whether he is orthodox or not, was invited  to be a member that the orthodox church was unofficially controlled by its adversaries ; the teaching of the holy fathers was thrown away in a very dramatic manner.  The fathers who were supposed to correct errors were tied up by the then political unrest that they were handcuffed to do any good.  As far as I remember the chaos managed to prolong not for less than a year when the REAL  aim of the movement start to uncover. HOW?

 

A young man from one of the Sunday schools in the southern parts of Ethiopia  came up with a  document of immense importance which sheds light up on a hidden movement  which manifests itself  in a new way of MEZMUR. According to the  document again , the real name of the movement  was named after  AMANUEL (please do not misunderstand me for every group and TSIWA by the name of AMMANUEL), and it was not a sporadic challenge to the teachings of the church rather, an organization with strong resources, and not to mention the least with strong financial resources, and very chiefly and dangerously, aimed at a hundred percent destruction of the church of Ethiopia. As far as my memory is concerned, I remember a statement which to this day strikes me hard- although I can not quote it word for word- but which  says < to change the church – in to Protestantism-  with out building another church or with out  a need to look for another place to worship .>

The protestantization process of Ethiopians by nagging them in every corners of the country did prove to be of no avail that they planned to change the church from inside out ; they came up with the idea we are discussing now , until God revealed the secret of the Angel who was thrown from his place.

The over all method could be summarized in the following manner:

 

As many westerners usually write and as  we may guess, some of the clergy are seen as   not knowledgeable of the teachings of the church, and many anti-orthodox preachers have tried to manipulate their says by firing some biblical quotations which they think proves the EOTC to be wrong.  Unlike this unwise activity, the leaders of the Tehadiso movement planed to control the clergy, by which ever means possible, whether it is money, or ethnicity, or disagreement among the priests etc.. to do what they need.  As a result they managed to go as far as assigning their members and sympathisers  in seminaries and monasteries; Sunday schools and BETEKIHINET. Unlike the traditional PENTEWOCH , Tehadso members are disguised under our fathers clothing and regarded as monks, preachers, priests, and Sunday school students.

 They have tried to present their idea to the public consumption, as  if they need the kind of protestant MEZMUR entertained here in our Sunday schools.  Many people think that is not < a big deal, and it could not be presented a s a reason for somebody to be excommunicated as if he is a heretic>. I agree !!! But the main thing was not MEZMUR. To this day, it takes my breath   when I think of their methodology. They know as many orthodox laities  do <like>  a kind  of protestant songs. Thus, they undermined every body to buy their idea that they needed to use it as a sheep skin. But it was uncovered, God willing, to save the church He shade His blood for. To save His children. To save guard  His teaching. He revealed their secret through the man they trusted to have given them his heart. This man managed to come up with this invaluable document, which any body may see it from the archives of BETEKIHINET. The holy synod did finally made this dangerous movement public and excommunicated its members.

 

WHAT IS THEIR TEACHING ?

 

In my opinion, to answer this question one should understand the teachings and beliefs of the church; what  we believe, what our dogma (corner stone of our belief) is ; and what  the untouchable creed  is. We could simply generalise by pointing to our daily prayer(the creed, TSELOTE HAIMANOT;  anybody can get it from WIDASE MARIAM ,yezewetir tselot) and conclude our discussion.  But it is not that easy to do so; and it will not clearly tell the danger paused by the Tehadiso members.

According to the teachings of our church, there are two things that we should note: dogma and canon (SIRAT).  The first one is the never changeable one. We can not change our belief in Silassie (trinity) or that Christ is God, He came to save the world; KIDUS KURBAN, the holy communion is the true flesh and blood of Christ; Saints do intercede on our behalf etc…

The later, the second, one can be corrected by the holy synod when the need arises.  For example, we need 5 people- two priests and  3 deacons- to  serve a mass- but due to problems there are some places, especially in the Diaspora, where only one priest and a deacon do serve. That is not heretic -NUFAKE. It is corrected based on the problems we have. Besides we change the time when to start the KIDASE, as it suites us. But we did not and will not and can not change the KIDUS KURBAN from wheat and wine (SINDE & WINE) to maize or (BEKOLO) and juice !!!

People may be allowed to enter the church with their shoes on for the fact that the buildings may not have carpets and it will be very dangerous not to do so. But if there is no this kind of problem, we pursue in our tradition.

 

DOES THE CHURCH NEED TEHADISO?

 

Based on the above principle this question needs a thorough investigation. We can not reform our dogma. If we do we can no more be orthodox. But  the canon can be corrected. For this correction as well, there is a procedure, and anybody can not do it. According to the tradition of the apostles, the legal body to do this is the  HOLY SYNOD. Not a single preacher, a single MAHIBER, or a single ASTEDADARI OR SEBAKI. These people can present their ideas to the synod and the synod can do what it should be done. This is the Biblical way of doing things.

 One writer of this forum has mentioned the Coptic church passing through a <reformation>, and in turn suggests to accept the ideals of Tehadiso. If this kind of  organizational and structural adjustment could be regarded as REFORMATION ,I do accept it. But unfortunately the writer does not understand what the real meaning and goal of a  REFORMATION is.  In this regard, our church need to do a lot of job. We need the fathers to be ONE. We need them to be united, letting their fleshly differences aside, and work for the One Religion handed down to us. We need the preachers to be better educated, the management of BETEKIHINET, whether it is back home or in the Diaspora, to be better than we see. Etc…etc… 

But this is not REFORMATION OR TEHADISO.  The tehadiso we are opposing is the protestantization of our believers.

Generally, this is not the main reason to label somebody as he is MENAFIK or not. Please take note what  these people believe and what they want us to accept.

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WHAT DOES TEHADISO TEACH?

 

Like their teachers, they regard the Lord Jesus Christ as AMALAJ; and in turn do not accept the intercession (AMALAJINET) of the saints. Their publications and teachings try to materialize this idea; but unlike the PENTE proper, they do not quote flimsy ideas rather they use the Geez language to astonish their readers. They use other literatures of the church as far they think it substantiates their ideals: Digwa…, Seatat, gedlat etc.. If my readers do not see what I mean I urge to read other publications which discuss this idea in detail. Their  heretic teaching about the Lord, makes them to err in other teachings as well: they do not accept celibacy (the need of  being a monk); TSOM etc….etc.  !!!!!!!!!!!

Is not this what we should not oppose ? Is not this against the teachings of our church?

 HOW DO WE OPPOSE MENAFIKAN

 

There are biblical procedures when somebody is labelled as a MENAFIK and is excommunicated(MEWEGEZ). It needs the procedure I mentioned above about changing  a canon. But sometimes, some believers may get upset and do what they are not supposed to do. This does not mean that we should set aside and leave everything for the holy synod. We  have many duties to do. All of us should be guards of the church. This is not to be <a catholic better than a pope>.

In the mean time, there comes the question of YEMEZMUR MESARIAWOCH; which I should not deal here and , God willing, I may try to substantiate and make a parallel to the Tehadiso movement some other time.

 

For the time being, let me stop here.

I am very willing to accept any kind of comments and I am of course willing to make correction if I err.

With love,

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Posted: April.04.2003 at 19:09 | IP Logged Quote Tesfaye Fikru

Tenna Yistilign Wegenoch:

This is a reply to Emnet's posting.

Emnet: to answer your second question first, there has always been God-ordained diversity within basic unity (as Nunu put it) in the church's history. Our forefathers have dealt with it wisely, mainly acting to preserve the basic unity. Some of the stuff they went through is not fit to print, but basically they kept the church united even when the diversity exist.

Your second question: I am familiar with the unfortunate incident you are talking about. The invitation was not extended by mistake and the invited teacher is not "Tehadeso." As a young Ethiopian Orthodox you need to go and ask for spiritual guidance from the fathers in your church. We can't rely on turn of events and assume or guess that a mistake was made just because there was chaos at the events.

Two grave errors were made that lead to the incident. First, the Houston Kidane Mihiret church clergy and board did not seem to be in charge of their church. They did not prepare for the challenges they faced for inviting this teacher. Other fathers who were present at the time were disapointed with their "absence."

Second, the sembet timhirt bet from Dallas St. Michael church deliberately came to disrupt the beal. The behavior displayed by these "saviors of our faith" in the church during service created kebele-like atmosphere. Shouting and calling names ... (I am sure they believed they served their God well that day, just like Saul did when he was persecuting the church) They distributed a copy of Mahereber Kidusan writings that accuses teachers of "spreading Tehadeso" activities in North America. Anyone who knows the Dallas sembet Timhirt bet members would not expect any different. They have demonstrated their immature behavior in the past when they destroyed the sport/activity equipment at their church. It makes you wonder who runs these two churches in Texas; Abatoch through the guidance of the Holy Spirit or tananashoch driven by their youthfull emotions. By the way, this is a snap shot of the behavior that is tolerated (if not promoted) by MK.

One thing is for sure, the teacher was accused of being "Tehadeso." He was suspected of being "Tehadeso" by Mk members and as a result he was set up by a young lady who posed as a Johova Witness to ask questions. This young lady taped all their conversation and that recording was used as a proof to accuse him in front of the Likawent Gubae. He was summoned to appear in front of the Likawent Gubae and explain himself. I am sure there are people who are very familiar with this story who can explain it better than I can. In any rate, he answered all their questions and explained himself fully and finally was set free by the Likawent gubae. They found him innocent of the charges made on him. He was permitted to continue his service in one of the adbarats in Addis Abeba. After over three years of service there, he came to the United States. Those who have accused him of being a "Tehadeso" back then still would not leave him alone here. They say, jib bemayaqut Ager hedo qurbet Antifulign Yilal. This is a person who has not been convicted of any wrong doing in Ethiopia. After he was accused and set free, he was put back to serve the church actively for over three years. You don't think the church Likawent would put him back in to service had he been guilty of any of the charges? He is currently serving in the same church where Bestuh Abune Merkorios reside. Abune Zena had invited him to teach in Seattle. Abune Gabriel personally knows him well and seem to think highly of him. Unless we accuse these fathers as "Tehadeso" as well, it would be unwise and unfair to point a finger at this person. You should hear his teachings on Negere melekot, Emebetachin and kibre kidusan ......

So, the church fathers know this teacher well and they are not quite about the injustice that is taking place in the church. It is our job to question any finger-pointing especially when it is initiated by the tananashoch in the church.

I personally know that some members of MK seem to be to very quick to accuse church fathers, so I will question their stand everyday of the week.

Search for the truth my brother/sister ......

Until next time ...................



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Posted: April.05.2003 at 19:18 | IP Logged Quote Emenet

Beseme Abe Be Welde Wemenefese kiduse Ahadu Amlak Amen

I thank God for this site because I am learning everday. I also thank Tesfaye Fikru for taking your time to explain my question. I really like to stop this conversation because this is not leading anywhere to the solution but we are still blaming eachother. I do not know that much about this preacher, never heard me preach too. All i am saying is that we need to be aware of what is going on with our religion because of this we are losing many freinds. We need to do something about it. I just need a simple solution that i can use to make it better for me and the other brothers and sisters at church. I was not present at the time of the conflict but i heard about it though. I think many people were disapponted because of that incidence.

 



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Posted: April.05.2003 at 20:32 | IP Logged Quote nunu

  

   Lord, use us to touch the lives of others

  This is for Bete:

     Even though it is understood in an orthodox site, we must not try to discourage someone from saying Emebetachin Tamaledalech.  Yes! yes! yes!  tamaledalech.  We will sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among ourselves, making music to the Lord in our hearts. And we will always give thanks for everthing to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.eph 51:19-20  



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Posted: April.07.2003 at 11:23 | IP Logged Quote EWNET

 This message is for NUNU.

  I know a lot of so called 'real orthodox' people, who in actuallity are 'something else', try to cover their identity by using Emebetachin's name a lot. Personally, I don't really trust people like you use a cover, and try to persuade others by unnecessarily putting Kidusan's names in statements.

 By the way, what does Eph 51:19-20 has to do with Emebetachin? I think that it is wrong to misuse scriptures in that way. 

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